Page created 20 Apr 2002 by pedro , last modified 24 Mar 2003 by pedro
URL: http://bbs.tastytronic.net/
This is where you can post help oriented questions or "I wish the BBS did this..." kind of questions. We now have some BBS Stats: Total Stats in "human readable" format:
Other stats in 1024-byte blocks (for sorting):If you want a speedy reply to a question, email pedro@tastytronic.net
Click on the "New Grafitti" link on the main page to see a list of new diary entries or to post one yourself. COol, no?
Oh well.
You know, which way and all that.
I mean, of course. How clever of me. I just thought that noone got it.
Ok, HTML is a "markup language" which means you take plain old english, and add a bunch of goobers to it to make it look like what it's supposed to.I think we'd all find things like bold text and italics useful, so I'm going to explain them for you.
To type something in bold, put <b> </b> around it, like so: <b>I'M BOLD</b>
To type something in italics, put <i> </i> around it, like so: <i>I'M IN ITALICS!</i>
Also, make use of the Preview button on these fill out forms, since you basically can't change posts to Entrees once they're posted.
You can also link directly to people's diaries by using the <person> tag, like this: <person>crackmonkey </person>
I have to do special mumbo-jumbo to make those symbols show up on the page -- normally they just disappear; they prefer to work behind the scenes and get angry when I make them stand up on stage like this. This also means that you shouldn't use greater-than or less-than in your posts, or it will not do what you want.
Other tags do other things. <br> will put a single line break where you put it down (you don't need to "pair" the br tag), and <tt> will do a "typewriter" font, which you can see that I used in the previous HTML primer on the Hobo Web Stew Entree, or whatever I called it.
Anyway, that's enough for now. Go forth, and wreak havoc! Metaphorically!
http://bbs.tastytronic.net/html.html
Not Found - The requested URL /html.html was not found on this server.Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Maybe there should be a basic HTML tutorial on what the available markup tags do at that link since it is on the bottom of each page that includes an entry box. Of course that would a first for a virgule site since zork, badvogato, and advogato are all lacking that page.
Now, if I only knew a web designer, you know, like someone who does this kind of thing for a living, who could write such a page...
You're order should be up sometime this evening. I'm like George's -- The service may be slow sometimes, but the end result is always good.
I hope you don't feel like you have to -- I'd be willing to do it if you really didn't want to; but I would love your help.
...as in, I would prefer if you did it. I'll just shut up now.
But the page would actually be html.xml. It'd have to be in loopy virgule chumbawumba.
I just realized that after I put together a html doc. I'll try to figure out how to loopify it tomorrow.
You are so money and you don't even know it.
look in /var/www/bbs/site/ for xml ejemplos.
Lukas has put together a cool little document about how to use html in your posts and stuff. I reccomend that you read it.
And if you look back in a day or two, I'll have done a bit of editing to make the document a bit easier to traverse.
I've noticed a lot of people have opened subject discussion entrees, like about books, or movies, or music. I think this is incredible, and is one of the things I want the bbs to do. But, and you might think this is anal of me, but some of the "description" section of the entrees talk about specific movies or books, etc, as though the description was the first post in the room. It seems to me that the description for "book" or "movie" or "music" entrees should be about books in general, and then the author of the entree can make a first post about whatever they want.Since the authors can edit entrees, they can actually do some creative cutting and pasting and fix this if they want to. I would prefer that, but I won't be upset if people just don't feel like it.
Again, it's not a big deal, but somewhere down the road, it may make more sense for the description to not contain "topic-specific" material. *shrug*
i realized my own error regarding this soon after i posted. however, i didn't realize that editing was an option. i will soon. i promise. but how can i edit the entree to be a General entree and then put the specifics in the First post of the entree?
YOu can't make it the first post. In that sense, you have to pick your poison. But it's easier to handle that disarray early on, rather than later.
I removed Laura's posts from the "specials" category as per her request. She'll be around of course, but she realized they were in the wrong place. -- the management
i was thinking it brought some balance to the tastytronic force to have some specials on the left hand side of the page. i wonder what will warrant its own special?
Something like a "Next Starbase XY003 concert is..." should be suitable for the Specials. It would be nice to have a cancel (by the author) facility that would move it from the menu card to the archive. I am guessing that a specified time-limit for display would be too complicated.I do like the Specials (or the Articles or whatever) in this format. In Zork BBS they are underused and in Advogao overused. With the current placement and sizing on the menu card they have that kind of "Stop Press" immediacy.
But I agree with Nutella, that they should be of "Stop Press!" nature. I was thinking about gig announcements, that kind of thing. But as you can see, practically anyone can create them, so if you have something that is really suitable for it, go ahead and make them.
the death of web safe colors
how come i can't use the little rollerbar thingy between my mouse buttons to scroll up and down within a reply window? it's on my own head of course for writing long replies, and i haven't really been hear long enough to complain, but i'm interested.
maybe i've got some crappy old explorer version or something. too lazy to check so i'll go back to suffering in silence.
MOJIRA ROARS!
I use Mozilla when I'm on windows and I love it (actually I use it everywhere, but I installed it on my Dell at work--don't tell). Can't say if the mousewheel works since this mouse doesn't have one. But mozilla is a great free browser with excellent standards compliancy, so get get it.
What happens to the replies when they no longer appear under the entree? You know, when there are so many replies that the computer decides to stop showing the earlier ones? Do they disappear for ever? Or can they be viewed somehow?
Old replies don't disappear forever and you can change the number of old articles to display on your account preferences page. Left blank it will display the default number of articles, which I believe is 25.
at some point today, the bbs will shift to a new server. You may experience some "service interruption" as we say in the industry.Deal with it!
But seriously, just warning you.
Let me know if anything doesn't seem quite right.
I want to make some changes to the way diaries on the diner work -- first of all, I'd like to have multiple entries from one user show in the New Graffiti list -- they currently don't do that.Secondly, I'd like to add a timestamp to the diary entries... What do you guys think? I imagine I could probably add timestamps to the projects too, but maybe that's obnoxious. Or maybe timestamps are just obnoxious anyway.
maybe the last 3 form each user?timestamp isn't necessary, but its not stupid either.
I made 6 specials show up instead of 4. That is all.
hey maybe a radio station on the tastytronic would be cool.like a few hundred mp3s that play in random order?
or maybe a few different channels, like the redvinegar favorites channel, the mercurymouth channel, and of course, everyone's favorite would have to be the baggins network.
ulyssess00, I don't think pedro has the technical or legal resources to support an Internet radio station. But I agree, it would be cool.
Yeah, I think it's a great idea... but unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen.
ok then...then maybe... maybe at least an animated .gif of an air-guitar-ing baggins?
oh please?
can you add some kind of a virtual hug from baggins too?that boy sure gives good hugs!
you guys sure know how to make a fella feel appreciated...
I rebooted flynn, the computer that runs the BBS. Please let me know if there are any problems.
Flynn? You don't seem particularly Irish to me . . .
I'm responding to baggins diary post -- if you post more than once in your diary, only the newest post appears in the New Graffiti section -- so what you should do if you want to post more than once a day is click on your name, edit your last diary post, and do something like this:---
So now I continue my post here, and then it will show up as one post.
---
3 hours later...
Eventually I want to change the code (when i upgrade the BBS's software) so that multiple posts show up in the New Graffiti list -- like, the last 30 diary posts show in order, like an entree. But I just need to take the time to figure that out. I've also thought about a different color scheme, more like George's Menu than the decor, which would be black, red, and blue text on a cream background... do you think you'd like that color scheme better? If there was a way to select which one you wanted that would make me happier... I like the browns and greens.
good advice, was wondering how to post mutiple on the new greafiti section since I tend to post like 4 a day, now they'll just be really long one day posts, is that going to be problematic?
No, your diary is capable of holding gimungous amounts of data.
You know what Pedro you're cool like Sunday morning, and I don't mean the tea since that's usually served hot. Dig it
I can't imagine setting user selectable style sheets in a cookie would be that hard, but then again I'm no virgule hax0r.
I fixed up Cinnamongirl's misposts...
What did she do wrong?
She posted two entrees which should have been diary entries.
Sorry P.P. & Big J. Thanks for getting my posts straightened out. BIG J are you married??? I've seen you recently, I don't know how I missed that. I had no idea, but if so, Mazel Tov!
This is what happens when I try to be clever on a time schedule.
what did you do?
Ok, so anyway, ulyssess00 created the "debt" entree, and I talked to him about possibly changing the name to fit the "menu items" theme, rather than merely being "diner-related" (tipping and paying your check). Call me a stickler, but I feel like if I don't try to keep it in the theme, people won't really know that there is a theme... anyway, in the process of re-editing the database, I accidentally (because I was too tired and not paying attention) blew away the "recent" lists for entrees, which means that all the "next" buttons are going to be out of order...Anyway, just post where you want to and it will eventually straighten itself out. Sorry... I realize that it's a pretty minor thing to make a big edit for (especially when there are other entrees that do not fit the "form"), but I really would prefer to keep the entrees as entrees. If it's just diner-related stuff, then it loses the feel of being "a menu" and I'd prefer to work to maintain that theme. Anyway, ulyssess00 likes the new title (he came up with it) so we're all good.
Like I said. I'm an idiot.
If you want to see a complete list of all entrees, in case you want to dig one out of the back closet collection, just click on the food picture above the word "entrees".
If you discover entrees that aren't showing up, email the name to me and I'll attempt to ressurect it.
Pedro in my eyes you can do no wrong, simply the eact of creation is a god-send, which means you my friend are divine.
Some time over the weekend the power supply on the machine that was hosting tastytronic.net (as well as a few other things like redvinegar.net) flaked out. We are now running on the previous hardware. Please report any problems and sorry for the unexplained dead time... I couldn't do much from Wisconsin.
Would have it been too much to ask that you drive down from Wisconsin at high speeds and turn the power back on, I mean come on it's not like you were doing anything!
my that power supply was tasty!
hooray for pedro and his computer surgery skills
See this diary entry. The devices were the same, so I just had to swap the disk to flynn III and it worked like charm! That never happens!
I wish that we had the option to go back and edit our posts...that way when we figure "i don't need to preview that, it's too simple for me to mess up" we can go back and fix the simple stuff that we messed up. [h4x0r3d by d4_3d1+0r]
Here's a link.Anyway, it would require a fundamental rewrite of how entrees work.
I wish we filtered the <blink> tag.
Actually, I have a feeling that my box might get hacked by some anti-blink tag hax0rs. Just a feeling though.
I thought that was kindof funny, I know it's annoying as hell, but I don't think that tag works on microsoft, probably the best decision they've ever made. Can't you just see gates sittenthere at his computer "dammit! freaking blink tag, I'm going to get rid of it" and then you know these gross creatures start pushing over trees and killing and stuff but in the end someone ends up saving it, just because he like to piss people off. oh well, :-)
and my deleting the tag was a gross abuse of power, actually.
that's why you're in control, you get to make those decisions. Like, I don't care, I didn't know you really could, do you have to be staff to do that, or do you have to be pedro, cause both are probably attainable...ps- i always knew that you'd succomb to the short side
Hey, I think i have it fixed so people's certification will update every five minutes. But if someone stays gray even though they're certified, click here and they will update.
The new powersupplies for flynn arrived over the weekend and I tested them in the "new" server and they both seem to work. Hooray! However, I'm going to leave flynn running on this hardware over the break since everything seems to be going ok. I don't want to make any drastic changes until I'll be around to do something if it goes wrong.
i was wondering about the possibility of having a TITLE for diary entries. i think it would be a nice touch. maybe not till after you get back though, pedro.
that would require some source hacking and continued maintainence henceforth... so probably not. Sorry...
The other problem with having diary titles as in the entrées is that you could have only one. Doing something like<p><b>Title One</b>in your entries is possibly a decent (though fiddly) substitute.
<p>A paragraph.
<p>Another paragraph.
<p><b>Title Two</b>
<p>A paragraph.
<p>Another paragraph.
etc. ...
yeah, sneakums is right... I was going to suggest something similar.
The replies to this entree are getting posted two or three times; any idea what may be causing this?
Well, let's find out.
too bad there isn't a way to send private messages to other people on this site.... I know it would be too hard/expensive/whatever you will say in technical language that I'll let go over my head (cause I am allowing myself to be below average in computer 101- very liberating). But it would be fun....
I wonder if there's any work on that kind of thing. I'll talk to the developers and find out. I think that would be pretty cool.
can we some how after awhile have the old specials become entrees? there are some good specials that never really get looked at or written in because there not on the front page any more. just an idea.
Not trivially, anyway. Specials should really be time-sensitive things only, and not things that people want to go back to. If you want to go back to them, then you should make an entree instead of a special. It is the Nature of The Specials, Rudy.
Sorry pedro, nobody is doing any mod_virgule work these days :-/
...although I'd be happy to implement titles for diary entries if you'd be willing to run them. /me likes titles for diary entries...
I really need to upgrade my installation of virgule, but I don't look forward to hacking the sources again, although it's really not a big deal, i'm just lazy.I think yeah, the <strike>two</strike> three things we'd really like:
1. diary entries in "new graffitti" to appear as they are posted, not one per person. This makes it hard to respond to diaries in diaries.
2. titles for diaries
3. specials should autojump the way that entree's do when you click on (2 new) or whatever.
These might already be in the sourcecode, and/or I'd be willing (maybe with crackmonkey's help) to hack in the recentlog stuff for articles too.
Something that baggins brought up that I think woudl be really cool is a feature where you can basically send "bbs mail" to people. It could show up inbetween "new grafitti" and "newest users", and could work like a diary -- just a long list of entries that are eventually archived.
This isn't me expecting you to do all this, but just kind of expressing all my mod_virgule thoughts in one post. I don't even know the current state of the code. Gary, is it still in CVS on zork, or where's the most current location?
The latest code is in Ghostscript CVS, which is Advogato's tree. You shouldn't need to hack the sources since I made loads of things configurable: I actually had a config file somewhere that would run Tastytronic from Advogato HEAD.Diary entries in "new graffitti" to appear as posted would be fairly simple to do, titles for diaries less so (but I'd like it to happen so I'd be interested in doing it). I don't know about autojumping specials but it shouldn't be that hard (it might already be there).
Anyway, I'll dig out the config.xml file tomorrow and mail it to you...
So I just did '1. diary entries in "new graffitti" to appear as they are posted, not one per person.' [1]. Have fun...
I'm planning on doing a software update to the diner in the next few days (within the week). While we're doing that, we have an opportunity for some change... I could change the graphics scheme. One alternative I was thinking of was a black text on a creme background, with reds and blues for certification levels. That way it would look more like George's menu, but less like George's itself. As far as I know, there's no way to have a selectable CSS page (is there, Gary?) Anyway, what do people think? Do you like the dark, earthy tones? Or would you rather have a more stark, straightforward color scheme? I lean towards keeping it the way it is unless there is an option to change between dark/light, since I like these colors better. But I'm open to hearing you folks' thoughts.
They say the only think that's constant is change, but I don't necessarily think you have to submit to that Peter. Keep your life simple- let the colors be. (Unless, of course, someone desperately wants them to be different.)
a user selectable style sheet would be rocko! I could use sans-serif fonts and maybe Neale would come back. ;)
The Tastytronic Diner's software has been updated. Note the new format for graffiti...
Please report any problems to me.
...titles for diary entries (somehow).
the specials all say there are how many posts that there is that many new. does that make sence. like the cd circle said that there was 59 new when there was only 59 posts. all of them looked that way.
So just click on the "N new" message and it will unmark them as new for you, and it will work henceforth.
You can click on "check all messages as read" in your Account page, but that doesn't seem to clear the new markers on Specials.
I also like how all instances of "Account" or "Project" are replaced by "Customer" and "Entree" -- because when you click on this link -- Pedro, it says "Customer not found" -- which is totally rad! And that's new. In the old mod_virgule I had to change all that in the code by hand (not hard, but tedious) -- now it's abstracted out into a config file -- a config file that gary even took the time to write FOR me. Man. How much easier could it be?Gary, can you get OpenGL working on my Linux box, too?
So how long does grafitti stay new? Will old graffiti eventually cease appearing under new graffiti? Will there be a "next" arrow at the bottom of the page to indicate that there is older new graffiti?
Don't get me wrong, guys, I like the multiple posting thing. But, if I don't check the site for a week am I going to miss out on everyone's last post? Is there anyway to make sure that each user's last post will remain available under new grafitti until they post again? (I know that everyone's graffiti is archived on their customer page, but that would take a lot of clicking...)
You will miss their last post if you don't check the site for a week -- but with the old way, you already did miss them, since you only saw the last thing they posted, even if they posted 7 long entries that week while you were away.But, since you do have a point, I upped the displayed entries to 50 on the new graffiti page. That should help laggers miss less.
Otherwise, you'll just have to check people's diaries individually through the Customer link to see if your favorite customer has updated their diary while you were away.
every time i try to go to Movies A La Mode my browser freaks out.any ideas?
In what way does it freak out?
One thing I've always thought would be nice in virgule is an easier way to show old entries to entree (project) pages. So far I like the new format of the diary entries.
ive noticed that entrees with a lot of posts seem to have old entries dissapear after a while.is there any way to change my settings so i can see EVERYTHING that has been posted on entrees like "interweb hobo stew" or are they lost forever?
You can change the number of posts to show on your account page. Setting to a very large number should keep old posts around as long as you want.
of course.i was thinking that referred to the number diary entries to display.
thanks.
whenever i load the Movies A La Mode page, it gets... REALLY BIG. and i cant read a thing. i mean, the writing is the same size, but the colored bars are huge.oh yeah, shouldnt we certify gary as staff since he's been working on the board?
What browser are you using when you get these problems?
internet explorer?its only THAT entree that messes it up. and when i click "back" or "home" the diner home page is blank. same thing happens if i "reload." i have to close the window and open a new one if a iwant to do any more diner activities.
And, for that matter, Gary, you should have shell access to flynn.
I'm not worthy...
nah pedro, its not the same computer.if you dial up the world events page on neoacerbitas' copmuter, it has the "There's some big scary stuff going on in the world." intro and the cnn.com link, and the very first entry is yours, the one marked "El-Hilarity."
and "movies a la mode" still wont work on my computer... what i see on my screen is kind of hard to describe. i looks like someone went into the html and entered about 500 < p >'s in between every line of text. so many that scrolling down is pointless. and if i click "back," the diner home page has the same problem, as do all pages i attempt to view with that window afterwards, wether its by entering a new adress, or by clicking "back" to see pages i've already viewed. i have to "X" out of that window and open a new one, where everything is a-o-k again... until i click on "movies a la mode" again... and then the madness resumes.
good thing there's four computers in our apartment, or else i'd be deprived of movie gossip.
some 31337 haxor or something, trying to take over the world and they thought this would be a good place to start. Or maybe pedro sleepwalks and one night he was "ughhhh, movies ala mode ughhhhhhh <insert meaningless code here> ughhhhhhh" yeah.
Before I get into hacking this stuff, are your browsers up to date? Does anyone else have problems with those entrees?
I mean, it's only a few weeks old, but this never happened until today. I'm using safari.
So far I'm getting a no...
I just did "testing" with the browsers at "hand". Now where's my complementary "get out of jail free" card?IE: No problems at all in IE 5.5 and 6.02 (Win98/ME/2k/XP) or IE 5.2 (Mac). This is my main browser for browsing, the only problem I've seen on this site was while posting in the "egg in your beer" entree, which apparently happened across the board, so hey.
Safari 1.0 beta v51: "Movies a la Mode" crashed Safari the first time I tried to open it; the second time it loaded correctly, and further browsing failed to cause any kind of error.
Netscape 4.6: looked ugly (no span for you), but very readable. No crashes/glitches.
Summary: No problems* here. Apparently even old versions of Netscape work fine, so that's always an option. And many people praise with great praise the praiseworthiness of opera as another alternative (can't say, never used)
*fine, one small problem
I've had nothing but happiness using several versions of Mozilla on the diner.... in case you were wondering.
eFFed up! I'm now looking at it in the computer lab on a windows machine using internet explorer so lets just not turn this into a mac thing. It's probably my cookie or something, whatever the site uses to keep track of where i've been and who i am but, i don't want to go through and convince the site that i've read everything again. BTW this forum only shows three posts as well.
so i deleted all my cookies, but it's still the same thing. I logged out and i could read everything just fine. maybe i should just make a new account, that would take care of you calling me neo too. When i was deleting my cookies, i noticed that i had about 24 or so titled "ppeterson@adclick/adserve/bigchicks.com" and stuff like that. What's that about? well, you're the boss so i'll leave it up to you. Maybe ulyssess00 should try logging out and see if it works again.
i was just kidding about the whole "bigchicks" thing.
Hmmm... ok, so try going to your account page, and clicking the "mark everything read" link... see if that restores your account properly.
But it doesn't seem to work, i can't fathom what it could be, since it happens on my personal machine and the machine at work. I feel like maybe it's something server-side if it's so universal for me. I'll try to make it to a couple other computers and see. I'll especially try to get to some that don't have any of my data on them. I'll let you know.
it's all good now, i'm not sure what i did, or what someone did, but it works, thanks
but, the "domain" of my laptop somehow decided that it needed to be "tim". How can i change that? Do you know? Do you understand what my question is? If not, i mean that in the terminal it says "[tim:~] tomj% " I never said (into the mouse, of course) change my computer name to "tim", in fact, i never ever set that at all.
That's your laptop's hostname.Did you leave some security hole open perhaps and someone was being funny?
maybe "tim" was bawarowski's cute lil' pet name for his computer...
pedro I've set up osx a number of times and with each one there was a different result of what the hostname was, it's kindof a strange thing though.
neoacerbitas, I believe this problem is the result of your computer thinking it's name is that of the last computer to claim that ip address. That's my theory anyway, i'm not sure how much technical merit it has. For instance: right now Francis (my desktop mac) thinks its network address is dhorner2.northpark.edu, which it definitely is not, and the CSTiBook claims no name, and goes simply by 10.21.0.71. As far as the terminal goes, to make it less annoying, you can hardcode the hostname that it displays in /etc/hostconfig
thanks a bunch alaric that really confused the hell out of me. You're totally right, i opened that file up and it says "this file is maintained by the system control panels" which confused me ever more, but yeah, if you go to them, and then go to sharing and where it says "network address" it says "tim" but you can't change it, that's kindof funny. Thanks again dude!
thanks again alaric i altered that file and even rebooted, it didn't change it to what i wanted, but at least i know what was causing it. Now it just says "localhost" which is fine by me.
Clicking on the plate of whatever-it-is above the Entree list will bring up the COMPLEAT list of Diner BBS entrees for you to peruse and revive.Clicking on the big Diner image on the front page will take you to the newest unread post in the entrees.
Cool, huh?
i think it'd be cool if we could search the site, in case we forgot where something was, or if someone could just point out to me where i can do that. yeah, that'd be cool
Go to google and search for:foo site:bbs.tastytronic.net
...and it will restrict the search to that domain. Viola!
I love that Americanism, and the alternative - "Wallah!"Being from Yoorp makes language comparatively dull.
I just like using "viola!" because most people don't even notice that there's anything amiss... or they think it's a typo.
Sounds like a big fiddle to me.
That new entrees are supposed to have names that double as menu items.I kind of like the Help Wanted idiosyncrasy alongside the jukebox idiosyncrasy, etc... they kind of fit together... but I also made grady change something of his in the past.
OI, if you have an alternate name for that entree, I will rename it. Otherwise I guess it's not that big of a deal in this situation.
I talked to Chris, and we changed the name of the Motion Picture entree, and OI decided to scrap the other entree altogether.I don't want to be a jerk, but I'm going to hold my ground on this one. Things on the internet tend to descend into chaos once people stop caring. I guess it's like real life that way.
im behind you on this pedro. not that those people shouldn't make cool entree's and stuff. but, the diner wouldn't be the diner without the 'food' on the menu...
Some kind of power blip caused flynn to go down. I didn't notice it for some amount of time.Anyway, sorry about the outage.
I was thinking today about editing entree posts, and one problem would be that someone could go back and totally change what they said."I didn't say that, see for yourself!"
just so you know....tom wasnt offended by the two front-page-tom-jokes.... in fact, i think he was quite flattered in his usual "...godammit. <smirk>" way.
i think there should always be a tom quote of the front page.
I really meant what I said about jokes like that having a short half-life.
Since I am a self-confessed lazy-ass I would like that the "Recent diary entries" page have a [Home] link at the TOP. If I post a diary entry using that page I have to either hit the back button several times (more if I have previewed and edited) to get back to the main page (or pick the bookmark or scroll through the history) or scroll down to the bottom of the page to find the [home] link. Otherwise this diner is just a recipe for RSI. Be prepared to hear from my fake lawyer.
and done.
that always bugged me, too.
I just made a "bbs" link on my "personal toolbar" in Mojira (now with popup blocking power!) and so I always just clicked on that. :)But it's better with that I think.
My compliments to the chef.Actually, I saw the new links there and became worried that they'd been there all the time and that I was asking you for something that already existed. Then my toaster started calling me names and the coffee pot is looking at me in a funny way....
Well, I was just wondering whether the links were there all along myself :)
I put the <sitemap /> there this afternoon after noticing nutella's request.
The disparity was caused by the "add a diary entry" area being at the top of the page and the "reply to this diner menu item" area being at the bottom. And, of course, also by me being a lazy-ass.
In case anyone is wondering, "Egg in your beer? No! Egg in your shake!" was actually on George's menu.
One possibility is Diner shirts -- brown with orange. Another possibility is actual George's T-Shirts... could be brown with orange, could be cream with black (like the menu). The George's T-shirts would definitely have a lot more buyers...What do you guys think?
Should I send a check?
im stuck. I cant log out. forever am i on the bbs. Can you help?
Nothing happens when you hit the "log out" button? What does happen when you do that?GO into your browser's settings and see if there's a way to view individual cookies.
On your windows 95/98 (not xp) computer there should be a folder C:\windows\cookies and there should be one from bbs.tastytronic.net. You'd want to delete it.
is that it tells me that im logged out, but it doesn't log me out...i will try your suggestions.
thanks pedro
flynn's been hacked.pedro is rushing home to take it off the net now.
The Diner may be imminently unavailable until further notice. Sorry all. Spread the word.
that sucks.
REPEAT: HUGE FALSE ALARM.We had a package installed that tried to fool people into thinking that the box was trojaned.
It worked.
*phew*That could have royally, royally sucked.
Thanks to the folks in #tron for all the help.
Do "not" put the "real names" of real "people" into the "Diner" unless you want them to "read" anything that you might say "here". -- Thanx, The Mgmt.
is that directed towards my saturday diary entry? i erased the name as soon as i got the apology.... or, a day or so after....and why did the diner url take me to the tastytronic mainpage earlier today?
Someone found the diner today because of Googling for their name and it was not expected or planned for. People need to be vigilant about not using real names here.I'm also considering blocking diaries from Google.
"coneyisland81" the otherday...so if you want to know...it was me. Blocking Google....I'm for it.
No, it was someone's boss who found their own name printed in the Diner.
So, I think I'm going to write a stats program for the Diner. What kind of stats would you like to see? Suggest them, and I'll let you know if they're feasible.This is what I was thinking of so far:
user stats:
- bytes of diary entries
- bytes of entree posts
- number of diary posts
- number of entree posts
- total number of posts
- total bytes of posts
- max/min/avg number of posts in a day (diary inclusive)
- max/min/avg bytes of posts in a day (diary inclusive)
- date of first diner appearance
- date of most recent appearance
- comparison of stats by weekly dated snapshot
- greatest number of consecutive posts in an entree (suggested by baggins)
- number of certifications given
- number of certifications received
entree stats:
- biggest entree by posts
- biggest entree by bytes
- fastest growing entree by posts
- fastest growing by bytes
- breakdown of posts by user
- most recently updated entree
- most neglected entree
- most diverse by patrons
- least diverse by patrons
...I'm sure there are lots of more possibilities... suggest them!
Google blocking is easy (Nick already does it on the Zork BBS). Basically you add "/robots.txt" to the VirgulePass line in your httpd.conf, restart the server, and then add a robots.txt file.
Gary, could you or someone hack in "direct links" to entries in entrees and articles the way that they exist in diaries? I imagine it wouldn't be that hard, and *might* take a look at the code myself... it would be nice to be able to say: "you said right here blahbadiblah..."For that matter, is there a compelling reason that Articles have a numeric title as opposed to a "human readable" title like projects?
My stats for the articles shows off this difference all too well.
pedro, each entry already has an anchor, you just have to view source to see what to link to. So I can link to your post about welcome winning the nethack competition. It is, however, a pain to link to old posts. Adding a link to each title would make it easier. Or you could add a post number to each title that was linked, although I don't think that would look all that good.
looks like captainkangaroo is having the same problem kelseyandlaura's computer was having... i've clicked "log out." a ton of times and it wont log me out....
I think it would be really rad if there was some sort of a weekly "award" given (by a poular vote of some kind) for the person with the most random and funny bit of humor. Just thinking of some of the sarcasm on some of these posts that keep me laughing for so long kills me. I dunnno... maybe that would be kinda fun.. er...yeah. Or maybe there could be a link contest where anyone can post the most outrageous picture they can find on an entree page and have every diner patron rate the fotos or something... like 1-4 with explinations for what each number should represent in degree... ??? uh... that is all.
If your cookies are sticking around (meaning you can't log out), try going through your Internet Options (or Preferences if you are using a Good Browser) and see if there is a way to manage the cookies for your browser.If there is, then you need to go in and delete the one for bbs.tastytronic.net.
If there isn't, on windows, click Start | Run and in the dialog, type:
c:\windows\cookies\
...and a window should open with a load of files. Find the one for bbs.tastytronic.net and blow it away.
If you are using a Netscape-derived browser, but cannot find a way to change your cookies, do this:
Click Start | Find | Files or FOlders
and search for "cookies.txt"
Then when it comes up, open it, and delete the ENTIRE LINE that shows bbs.tastytronic.net.
If you're using a Mac, it should work similarly to my instructions, but maybe not.
Good luck.
On another mod_virgule instance I tried linking to specific non-diary posts using the trick that lukas mentioned. This was okay if the post was relatively recent but the problem is that the links were within-document (rather than to some full URL) so if you had your account configured to only show a limited number of posts (not including the link target) the link would fail. This also means that it was difficult (impossible?) to see very old postings to a project. This is not the case with diaries as links can pull up all possible entries.I'm trying to remember how long ago it was that I broke the other mod_virgule instance by having >100 diary posts....
Look at your first nutella2 post, it was probably around then ;)
Pity I am still blocked from that server, but I should still be able to check it with the Mr.T trick.Nope, the URL for that exceeds 64 characters. I'll have to find a more flexible (yet still legible) filter (bork bork bork). Anyway, it looks as if the answer is around early March last year.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Breaking Nick's Perl Citadel BBS was far more dramatic (and easy - sorry, Nick). mod_virgule behaved with much decorum considering the circumstances.
21 Feb 2002 was the first nutella2 entry, but:
- Why are you blocked?
- What's the Mr T trick?
Thank you for the date information.1. Company firewall
As well as obviously non-work-related sites there is no access to zork (crackmonkey, loyalty etc.) or some useful sites (burnallgifs). I am blocked from ssh/scp. The latest restriction is a block of telnet or outgoing ftp. As crackmonkey pointed out some sysadmins have waaay too much time on their hands.2. A filter site
The content on blocked sites is readable, after a fashion, with web pages with filters such as The T'inator. I understand that there are sites out there that allow plain text redirection of blocked web pages but I don't know of any. In any case this doesn't allow me write-access so I can't play. This is less of an issue now that many of the leet people from over there now sojourn in the diner over here.
...get a free webspace somewhere that allows CGIs, and write a little CGI that lets you do proxy-like things.Actually, Zork pretty much died since Nick replaced the diaries with that blosxom thing. The last diary was in last November, and the last room message was sometime in January. So there isn't much point trying to proxy.
In other news, this.
since i'm using a spanish keyboard from europe (ISO) some of my punctuation shows up improperly?
My recollection is that it had been pretty quiet for some time before the not-a-blog was installed.
It was quiet from the point that Nutella got barred.
gary that babelfish exercise is hilarious. Some of the room names are wonderful (although it would appear that there are slight problems from the formating);"There are not any end with the monkey of madness"
"To save the category of the math of George"
"The War Of Club Of Book"and somewhat surprisingly...
"Citadelification of pissing"
Also, I am sure Emad must be gratified by
"Is not Reamed"
no big deal. I've just been trying out something new... we'll see what happens.
nutella, if you ever get barred from here give me a yell and I'll set you up a little rewriting proxy somewhere.
The One-year anniversary of The Tastytronic Diner will be April 20th, 2003.I think we should have a big get together at George's for any/all Diner folk in town.
Here is the first post.
I'll be there.No kidding.
Is there any was for me to get an email on this lovely server of yours? The damn MAN at work has set up so that no one can now check there personal email on any major email server, and I was running hotmail through outlook express for a while until they caught onto that one too. BASTARDOS! But was wondering if you would hook a brother up?
What do you want the username to be?
and i emailed you about playing euchre or cribbage today!you still in?
you emailed me at work, and that went through ok, but I can't get to my hotmail account anymore, the work account still functions, but I can't use that for everything because they frown on that sort of thing, corporate hellians! Pedro, Why don't we just make it bigj@tastytronic.net would that work?
My office extension is 5545.
Any chance of gary@tastytronic.net? I could replace the address on my account page and become even more furtive.
mail me a public key and I can create an account for you.
Whee, furtiveness is assured!
With some minor system updates. It shouldn't affect anything, but I wanted to make an official announcement.
But I still think it would be very cool to have an inhouse mail box. A lot of the matchmaking services have them... Of course, I don't know how much crazy work would be involved in such an undertaking, so know that I love the diner and won't be disappointed if you say "NO!"
Another thought, I kind of liked it when you had a quote under the big Tastytronic sign on the homepage.
Mailboxes would be pretty hard to implement, unfortunately. Sorry!Gary, is there a way I can use a favicon with mod_virgule? I would think that http://bbs.tastytronic.net/favicon.ico should point to a file in the site directory, but that doesn't seem to work, nor does the top level. That's one reason why all the pictures on the site come from http://tastytronic.net/bbsgra.
Any ideas?
You need to use VirgulePass, in the same way as is done for the CSS stuff.
(that's in /etc/apache/httpd.conf of course)
did it work?
And I think it's about time you let someone else be the star of the BBS. Unquote me please.
I'm one of the few people who links to individual diary entried posted by people rather than simply using the [PERSON] tags and letting people work out what I was refering to by checking the dates. I wonder if it would become more prevalent if there was a shorthand way for doing this, maybe something like [PERSON]nutella#entry[/PERSON] or even if this would be useful. This may also require that there be an option when viewing a diary to see the entry numbers more easily than looking at the link text while having the mouse over the >> (or viewing source). Either cut'n'paste or typing things out longhand is a lot of effort for a lazy-ass like me.
Nutella, this has bothered me for a while, but somehow I never get round to fixing it. How about if I do this:Sound good?
- Diary entries in the recentlog grow a » and/or the person's name displays the entry number when you hover the pointer over it.
- The <person> tag grows an optional attribute (entry or similar)
I'd not thought about part 1 as I automatically pull up the person's diary page if I am going to link to them. Yes, the ">>" on the recent page would be tres cool.As I admitted in the earlier post, this may not be useful to very many folk. I'm just being; a) selfish (when I look back through my old diary entries I can click on my link and be taken to exactly the text to which I was refering), b) anal/precise/finnicky. If you just want another excuse to dabble then I would certainly use the result but if it would be a pain and you have better things to do then I'll certainly not complain (I've already had some customisation fulfilment here).
Do you have any plans for implementing Entree links in some form (ones that would work on invisible entries)? Or would that require too much of a radical redesign? (now why don't I answer that myself and go and look at the code?)
It seems like articles should have pointers like entrees do.
Pedro, I just created an entree with a misspelt title: any chance you could fix it for me?
"i gots the motts" is now Bowl Full of Motts so that it is nomenclature-compliant.And The Calamari entree is no more -- merged into Home Cooked X
Ta!
Ok, so, as we read about here, Speakeasy is upgrading it's infrastructure in Chicago, which means some kind of outage is pending in the near future.Unfortunately, I'll be heading up North come Saturday...
These things always have a way of happening, don't they.
Anyway, the plus side is that flynn's uplink is going to be doubled. Anyway just warning you -- if the diner disappears for no reason, don't worry. We'll be back just as soon as we can, and when we do come back, we should be faster than ever.
sorry about the extended outage, it should have only been a few hours at most. the trouble was that the automatic switchover script that pedro and i wrote didn't quite work.i just got back from pedro's though, and all should be well now. if there's any trouble, let me know and i'll see what i can do.
proj-stats.txt
I notice that quite a few people here are @ltering peoples' names in their diaries to avoid being discovered. Would you be interested in a per-user option to stop diaries being crawled?
Or you could just unilaterally block the site like what crackmonkey did with his BBS...
I don't know if this makes sense, but I like the fact that people can randomly find their way in here if they're looiking for the right thing (ericchancellor), but I also like the idea of people having some amount of privacy.
as this wwould deprive the many "Airwolf vs. Blue Thunder" fans. Currently entering 'Airwolf "Blue Thunder" ' in google gives the BBS top ranking. See for yourself!Savour that google juice!
If people really wanted it, I would go for it. But I like the fact that right now the people who should find the diner can, and the people who shouldn't don't. Usually that just means not using real names if you're interested in privacy.But really, if a majority of people wanted total block, I'd go for it. So speak up if you do.
we should be unashamed of the things we say in here. at least to the extent that we're open to people surfing their way in here on searches and things. if you don't want a specific word or name to be googled, then alter it.
What if George's had a bouncer? would it have been as cool of a model for a bbs?
I'm not ashamed of what I say in here. I have a couple of pathetic female internet stalkers, but frankly, if they see that I'm happy and doing well, it doesn't bother me in the slightest, and I do keep things I don't want the world to know off the diner.
The DSL was down for most of the day yesterday, as you might have noticed. This is due largely to the rain and the fact that somewhere between my house and irving park there is a hole in the telephone cable. I'm sure it won't take SBC long to find that hole... if I can even talk to a human being.Anyway, today I'm working on repairing some poorly (and often mis-) configured stuff on flynn. None of it really pertains to the diner. But I just wanted to report in on the outage yesterday.
i think it would be neat if we couldemail in diary entries and posts and stuff. but i also think that i'm the only person that uses computers that won't let you log in to the page.
that isn't very probable, but what about a timestamp for our posts?
but some people wouldn't want to be barraged with all that info.
i don't think it would be such a barrage if the time stamp appeared alongside the date. it could be helpful. but it's not that big a deal.
that I am an insomniac, thank you very much. Clear-cut case of TMD.
We had a belch today which messed some things up... hold on tight.
Meanwhile, I desperately need to reorganize the files on flynn. Sorry about the inconvenience.
well here it is
Or if they are online, email me a link to them, and I'll add them to the album.
source material readily available
there should be one to the photo album from the main page
tell me where you want it and i'll do the heavy lifting...
Wherever you think looks best. Sometimes I think under the link bar under the main logo, sometimes I think by New Graffiti, sometimes I think down on the lower right... What do you guys think?
Unless pedro and inkblot have exchanged bodies I think the caption for this one should be "L to R" instead of "R to L" (or maybe this is Pedro's "I live on stage" aspect coming to the fore and those are stage left and stage right).
There was a bad exploit for Linux out so I needed to upgrade my kernel ASAP... unfortunately, I had trouble with my kernel upgrade... if that wasn't obvious.Basically, it seemed like 2.4.23 didn't like my AIC 7xxx devices, but I also made a few mistakes and deleted some "junk" which meant that when I rebooted back into 2.4.20 I had no network and because of gcc upgrades would have to completely recompile 2.4.20 to make that work, so I just wrestled with 2.4.23 until I got it to go.
Sorry about the downtime.
In the meantime, I migrated /home to the RAID, which is now mounted under /mnt/RAID (instead of the obtuse /home/pedro/z/). That means that /var/www and /home are both on the RAID now.
Let me know if there are any problems.
Well, that's the last of the bits...flynn is now running everything off RAID with the exception of /boot/.
Since /home and /var/www were already on the RAID, this shouldnt' really cause any issues... the plus side is that flynn now has oodles of space that it didn't use to have available. We shouldn't have any random outages of space for a long time now.
Please let me know if you encounter any problems.
The image "http://tastytronic.net/bbsgra/tastydiner-375.jpg" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. Kindly return the menu header to its former glory.
I'm playing around with adding a page that will show when the last time was a user looked at the Diner. It would be a page like the stats page that would show, in order of appearance, when the last person checked, and maybe count pageloads or something like that.It would be cool because it would show relatively how often people check -- but it would also be a slight "invasion of privacy" in that some people might not want it to be public how often they check the Diner (either becuase they check it way too often or becuase they hardly ever check).
I don't really care -- it wouldn't bother me to show how often I check, nor would it bother me to see that captain only checks every two months -- and I think it's neat to add features like that and just see statistics and crap like that.
But I want to be sensitive to the customers. What do you folks think?
but then everyone would find out that I check the board a couple times an hour during the day (give or take)
Besides, if people want "privacy" they can always log out of the diner before they start browsing around it.
I mean, as far as the parallel between The Tastytronic Diner, and the Infamous Diner IRL, when you walk in, people notice you're here, more or less. even if you're just sitting in your own booth. and we know how long you were here for. and after you left, chances are good that somebody stopped in and asked abou you. so, it seems like it's a fair thing to do. I certainly have nothing to hide. I know there are days when I post a bunch of stuff throughout the day, showing that I'm extremely bored and free and have plenty of time to snoop around here. and other times I read and don't write anything for days at a time, which shows I don't know what. so, I personally don't mind people knowing, and I'd like to see the stat...
the lastlog!...for some reason, some users do not register, and users using a textmode browser (like lukas) do not register, so I need to change what I'm using for my triggers... I'll do that today, but then it looks like we're up and running!
It updates your status when YOU trigger it -- so for example, marmora will still show up as a Tourist until he reloads a page on the Diner that triggers it. That way the last.cgi only has to update one person's record each time it's loaded, rather than everyone. And normally, YOU aren't going to care or notice if someone else's record isn't completely up to date.
Hey I showed up. That's an awfully big pageload number you have pedro.
Once I get it finalized, I'll cut my number down to size.
it's final version will show time like this:pedro (92), Peter A. Peterson II, Staff 1 year, 2 days, 16 hours and 5 minutes ago.
Since what we really want to see is how long ago was it that "bob" last checked the diner.
I need to tweak your cookie if you do.Seriously.
outputting the same information further down the page but sorted by number of pageloads rather than chronological appearance. but we shall see.
I dig this thing! I also like how lastlog.html does not count pageviews of that page -- so reloading the lastlog doesn't increment your counts.
i'm almost up to pedro's page count and i'm not even debugging the thing.
i assume you're referring to the number in the parentheses on the log. what is it? what does it mean?
Every time you load the main page or the graffiti page, it adds one to that number.Eventually it will trigger for every page load on the diner.
could be unrelated, but i've been having problems logging in and being logged out when i don't expect it. i'll try to isolate the problem and see if it's related to the last log cgi or if my broswers just suck all of a sudden
It shoudlnt'be related to the cgi, but maybe your cookie. Try editing /acct/lukas/profile.xml and changing the information in your cookie. You can just edit it arbitrarily, but I'm not sure if there's a max length or not.
in the last log thingy- it said I logged in at 17:32... I'm quite sure that I was on here at five thirty two pm this evening... Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
all the times in the lastlog are in UTC, not local time. UTC is six hours ahead of us in the winter, and 5 ahead during daylight savings time.
and by "us" i mean "chicago".
Time has been adjusted on the last log to reflect CST rather than GMT (London). People will have to visit the diner to update their last timestamps.