Roasted redvinegar
Page created 20 Apr 2002 by pedro (Staff)
URL: http://redvinegar.net/
Redvinegar is one of many artistic endeavours supported by Tastytronic Industries. Because they are untrustworthy, artsy types, opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of Tastytronic Industries, it's affiliates or investors.
Formed in 1995, redvinegar combines influences of folk, classic rock, hard rock, country, and the ever present and so-called "alternative" rock (that's a lot of rock) to create a wholly pleasing blend of herbs and spices.
i heard from this guy that he knew someone that saw them play at some
bar in the woods or something. he said that they weren't so bad. they
sound kind of like genesis.
great band, posted 24 Apr 2002 by lukas »
(Fixture)
I would also like to tell you of a band. They're called atwitter, and
I'm supposed to tell my friends.
I'm hopeless at describing music, soI'll merely state
that Ms. Goldfrapp has a wonderful voice, and point you to two sample
tracks from Felt Mountain: Lovely
Head and Utopia. I like
Utopia a lot; I sing it to myself.
I posted that to the wrong room...
Or did I?
I did.
dude, i totally remember atwitter! they ruled! grovy bass, screaming
vocals, blazing guitar, and that dummer was hot!
It looks like upcoming dates for redvinegar are:
May 10th, at the Hollywood, Bryn Mawr and Spaulding, ca. 9:00 PM
May 16th, at Goose Island North/Clybourn, ca. 9:00 PM
as you were.
Ok. So Moon is going to be out of town for the summer -- but before he
leaves, we're going to do some recording. North Park now has a digital
16-track, and Bill is always asking me when I'm going to go down there
and use his equipment.
So, after graduation, we're going to work up it looks like 5 songs: I
don't know where here is, matthew, sliding to you, peace of mind, and
"bob", and go in and do a good job on a "really nice demo". The kind of
thing that, if it turns out well enough, might be close to a low-budget
EP, or if it turns out ok, will just be enough of a demo to get us gigs
at places that need a CD.
But I feel like between Phil and I, we will be able to put together a
decent recording, and it's kind of exciting to think about that.
Since Moon is gone for the summer, we're not sure quite what we're going
to do, drummer wise. We have to look up some old ghosts that may still
be around -- but it's all up in the air.It would be cool to get some of
those paying gigs at the Wrigleyville GOose Island, although I sincerely
hope the crowd is more like 50 Tim McGinnisses, and not 50 Frat Boys.
But THat's the News from Lake Michigon.
hmmm, posted 1 May 2002 by baggins »
(Fixture)
i don't know who tim mcginnis is, but anything's better than 50 frat
boys.
This week redvinegar will be playing at goose island. Thursday, the
16th. at 9:00pm. it should be a great time as usual. it will be aan
important show as aaron will be off for the summer. so, come and wish
aaron well. "tell your friends."
the goose, posted 14 May 2002 by lukas »
(Fixture)
have fun and drink some summertime kölsch for me. That or some
dopplebock, hex nut, demolition 1800 ale, london porter, or goose pils.
Man I miss the goose. Anyway, rock on and have fun.
I endorse the hex nut brown ale. Somebody mail me a keg!
I enjoyed decent tea for the first time in months but now will have to
work out some way of returning the favour.
...and make sure you keep your eyes out for Three Floyds Alpha
King.
last night was great. i think we played well, there were some problems
with pete's guitar volume or monitor volume. but, over all i think we
played better then past shows at goose.
set list
1.
indiana
2. peace of mind
3. bob
4. i don't know where here
is
5. matthew
6. sliding to you
haven't heard you guys do that one live. i really dig it.
hey, aaron might be in chicago for the summer which would be rad. but,
we need to help him find a job. so if any of you have any idea's or
know of anything suitable for moon let us know. oh and if you know of
anyone looking for a roomate too.
Hey all,
One week from tonight, redvinegar is playing at The Lyon's Den, 1934 W.
Irving Park -- this is an important show, because it can get is on the
schedule for regular gigs at the Lyon's Den if we can show that we can
create enough of a draw. So please come out! The Lyon's Den is a cool
place with a great sound system and great food.
Here's the official announcement from our mailing list.
Redvinegar has two dates slated for August -- Aug. 17th at Goose Fest,
and Aug. 30th at the Wrigleyville Goose Island. Please plan to come see
us play if you can, especially on Friday the 30th. For more info, see
our website.
Also, if you're not on our email list, subscribe!
the webpage has been updated for your viewing pleasure!
that is
all.
re: pics, posted 4 Aug 2002 by baggins »
(Fixture)
i remember taking pictures with your camera at a Goose Island show,
PhillyPhil. are any of them good? are any of them on the webpage?
maybe, posted 4 Aug 2002 by dogmanphil »
(Fixture)
i don't remember which roll or evn which night that was. i'd have to
show you all the pictures and see if they look like ones you would have
taken.
if i remember correctly, it was the night that P.E. Carlson played a
couple songs with y'all. i don't know. i was just wondering. cool pix
at any rate.
We should definitely have some kind of photo credits page.
Aaron Moon is staying out east this year, working with Americorps and
taking a year off from school... this means that redvinegar needs to
find a drummer.
In other news, the August 17th Goosefest gig has been canceled for us,
due to a number of things, not related to Aaron Moon.
Stay tuned...
You are the first to hear it: Erik P. Anderson is planning to fill in on
drums for redvinegar this year. How
cool is dat?
i didn't know he was well-versed enough in the drumitude universe. but
that's cool. does that mean you'll be doing covers of Slayer soon?
He's going to take a drumset up to his cabin in Sept. and practice a for
a month and a half off and on. That should be good enough to play rock
and roll.
I think I will emblazon one of my shirts with the phrase "practice
makes adequate", and wear it each moment that I am bulking up for my
audition with red vinegar. My new idea is to build a raft when I am up
north and anchor a drum kit to it, setting myself adrift among the
autumn squalls of Lake Superior. I will need no food, as the grains of
rock and roll shall sustain me, and I shall drink from the bounty of
Gitche Gummie. Setting off a pretender to the throne, the winter winds
should bring me drifting into Chicago via Lake Michigan mid October,
though the keen ear might hear the tribal tatooing reflect off the
waves long before the bearded apparition appears. I am Odysseus, back
from the dead, and I shall string my bow and tighten my drumheads to
reclaim what is mine, the beauty of Penelope and the lands of Albany,
O! blessed realm of red skies and rivers of vinegar!
But you really might want to call Paul Garcia, who will tell you just
how terrible I really really REALLY am. Please believe me!
i was thinking that now erik is in the band maybe some of the fans in
l.a. might move back to chicago to see us. just a thought.
Man, we SERIOUSLY need to get some band photos with Erik in them. And he
needs to at all times on stage have a fan blowing his hair around, just
like the guy in Soul Asylum.
I'm just going to note for the record here, that having Erik as your
drummer is going way overboard on the rock-band-member stereotype
issue. Even can manufacture several bad British, and at least one bad
Central European vaguely Slavic accent that I can recall, offhand. . .
but at least there's no hope of him having eternal life a la Keith
Richards . . .at least I hope . . .
Ha ha, I mean. What a band name eh? It is zee ASYLUM uuf zie
SOOOOOOOOOUL! That's just so band namish!
Friday, 10:00, FREE ($0), GOose Island Wrigleyville 3535 N. Clark.
redvinegar will rock your face.
Our flyers.
"we're redvinegar, tell your friends!"
...I'm starting to get a little nervous.
Tune your instrument before the show starts... that'll definately help.
tuning, posted 30 Aug 2002 by sneakums »
(Fixture)
No way! Redvinegar is the band that tunes before every song!
You can't go wrong with a great gimmick like that!
One of the live Hendrix shows has him claiming that they'll tune up
before "every single song" - but then deciding against it as "only
cowboys play in tune".
good one, blvdgirl.
tuneage, posted 30 Aug 2002 by pedro »
(Staff)
We actually are planning on doing that.
How?, posted 30 Aug 2002 by nutella »
(Fixture)
Would this be done by you going "aaaaaaaahhhhhh" and then everyone else
tuning to that? ...or do you have a harmonica.
the show!, posted 3 Sep 2002 by pedro »
(Staff)
So, basically real quick, since I shoudl be working right now:
The show on Friday went great! Next to a couple technical glitches, it
really went better than we could have possibly expected, and they want
us back ASAP!
I love to hear you tune... I'm glad the show went well.
haha, , posted 4 Sep 2002 by pedro »
(Staff)
Thanks, Amy. :)
really cool that so many people came out. im glad that they want you
back.
i guess there was 150 to 160 people there to see us. thats what someone
heard the goose island people say. wow...wow!
rawk!, posted 13 Sep 2002 by lukas »
(Fixture)
I have been notified that I have a personal day to burn before December
14. So you hobes beter have a show before then so I can drive all night
to Chicago to party down. I'm beginning to be semi-serious about this.
totally dude! we are planning it. that would be so money!
HA!, posted 13 Sep 2002 by inkblot »
(Fixture)
HA! HA! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! THAT WOULD KICK SO MUCH BOOTY!
pedro and i were thinking that we (rv) should start doing more covers.
not more as in adding a ton of covers to our set list but, learning a
cover for each show and then another next show and so
on.
so, what do you kids think?
what would you like to hear redvinegar play?
what covers do you think we should do?
let us know and maybe we'll pull it out at the next show!
i'd love to hear In My Time of Dying (sorta in the vein of Bob Dylan's
version). shit, i think i might even sing it for you, if you made me.
hmmm... which others? well, i don't expect to hear them, but i think RV
could pull these off well:
How It Feels To Be Something On (the song) - SDRE
California Dreamin - The Mamas And The Papas
Destination Zero - Bluestone
Patience - GNR
No Quarter - Led Zeppelin
Van Diemen's Land, When Love Comes To Town, or All I Want is You -
U2
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Gimme Shelter - Rolling Stones
Superstition - Stevie Wonder (how much ass would this kick?)
Let's Go Crazy - Prince
What's The Frequency Kenneth? - REM (im not much of an REM fan at all,
but i dug this song, and i could definitely see RV playing it well.)
XO (the song) - Elliot Smith
No Woman No Cry - Bob Marley and the Wailers
Witch's Invitation - C.A.R.M.A.N. (im obviously kidding big time)
Fat Bottom Girls - Queen
Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - CSN or CSNY, im not sure which incarnation it
was.
Jack and Diane - Jon Cougar Mellencamp
Pour Some Sugar On Me - Def Leppard (only half kidding here)
Kickstart My Heart, or Home Sweet Home - Motley Crue
Eruption, or Hot For Teacher - Van Halen
More Than Words - Extreme
Fought In a War - Belle and Sebastian
-How It Feels To Be Something On (the song) - SDRE
maybe sometime
we'll do a sunny day song but, not now. more likely we'll do a jeremy
enigk tune.
-Destination Zero - Bluestone
great band! always thought that the bass player was holding back. he
should really just let loose. as for covering "zero" no way we could
pull that off. but, there is a song that i have always wanted to
do.
-No Quarter - Led Zeppelin
i just heard a song on the radio that i had never heard before. more
acoustic than the others. i don't remember the name but, i thought it
was a song that we could do.
-Van Diemen's Land, When Love Comes To Town, or All I Want is You -
U2
i have always dug van dieman's. i did love comes to town at a winter
retreat in highschool. redvinegar covered all i want is you at my
wedding. but, pedro and i have talked about one or two other that we
might do.
-Gimme Shelter - Rolling Stones
i love this song is one of my top five stones songs!
-Superstition - Stevie Wonder (how much ass would this kick?)
i'm no SRV!
-Let's Go Crazy - Prince
tim hates prince.
-What's The Frequency Kenneth? - REM (im not much of an REM fan at all,
but i dug this song, and i could definitely see RV playing it well.)
i dig rem and wouldn't have thought to cover one of there songs
but, i could see it. what's the frequency, i don't think pete would get
into.
-Witch's Invitation - C.A.R.M.A.N. (im obviously kidding big time)
we have a winner!
-Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - CSN or CSNY, im not sure which incarnation it
was.
i have always wanted to do a CSNY cover.
it looks like we will be playing the 25th of oct. at the goose island
in wriglyville. so, mark your calanders. this is the night before isaac
and megan's wedding. so, come and wish them well, have a pint and rock
with us. lukas gas up the tank and take that personal
day. also this will be oldpossumus' first show as the
new
drummer of redvinegar. he has been up in the minnesota cold with moon's
drums for about a month. here is a
quote from Hemingstein in a recent letter.
"as i beat a rythm on these old keys(typewritter), erik, outside and up
the hill in the garage, beats and beats on moon's drum kit. he has been
extremly diligent with his practising; i think he is pouring all the
stamina and spiritual reserve of a man who has recently written a
15,000 word masters thesis into his drumming.
in short, you picked the right ex(?)metalhead for the job."
Do you play in Pennsylvania?
Any shows November 9-16 in Chicago?
we will see what we can do. maybe at the north/clybourne goose for
their musicians showcase.
pedro what you think?
hey so we have another show at goose island
should be fun
blue stone is playing with us
erik anderson is making his debut
and i think there will be alot of people from the bbs
so, maybe ulyssess00 can walk around saying
"anyone for the bulletin board?"
no but, really who is coming?
lukas?
ake?
loser?
toastboy?
captain?
let us all know. that way maybe other will come out if they see that
Hemingstein or mercurymouth is gonna
be there too.
i wanna rock!
im trying to get some of the bowling cats to come as well. i think a
few will. im spreading the word to anybody who might remotely enjoy
hearing live music.
I'm babysitting that night, so once again I miss out. Ho-hum.
ake would love to come, but he has to go to a baby shower. well, I am
not going to the actual shower, but I am going to mpls mn for janelle
to go.
i'll be there and so will jen. i think pedro will be there as well.
wow, posted 17 Oct 2002 by dogmanphil »
(Fixture)
babysitting and baby showers is it just me or is ake and william
getting soft in there old age?
...but im pretty sure the captain is getting soft. have you seen him
lately? soft as a marshmallow, that guy.
posters, posted 18 Oct 2002 by pedro »
(Staff)
If you want to put up posters for redvinegar (flyers page), see Phil. We
printed up about 75 posters, and they're raddy-daddio.
Carlson: this means you -- sorry we didn't hook up on Wed. It was crazy.
Phil also has quarter sheet flyers and masters for you if you want to
make more.
come visit me!!!! I live right off of I-94 now...along the river. I'll
be driving back from chicago on friday the 25th and then I'll prolly
work noon-8 on sat and sun, but around that... if you have time...we
could walk along the river (not as impressive as the lake) and chat...
cloves, wool sweaters and hiking boots on a fresh fall day... we could
try to find the owl that lives near my house....
sorry guys that I can't make the concert, but I have to work in
minneapolis the next day
I plan on coming and dragging the Dahlin with. I haven't seen you all
yet, and need to prove that 2 years of daily exercise and drill
haven't crushed my spirit.
And if my wife lets me out of the house with more than 3 dollars . . .
who want to get me this T-
Shirt?
please???
they changed the page
here it
is.
well, it's about 19 hours away from the show. i just got back from
practice and talking with pete. i'm tired but, i have the day off
tomarrow. so, all is well. can't wait to see everyone. should be a good
time even if we weren't playing. good friends, good beer, good food,
good beer...
see you soon
black, posted 25 Oct 2002 by baggins »
(Fixture)
dont you at least want the shirt in black?
yo.
this is grady.
pedro asked me to bring my MD player to the show tonite to do some
crazy bootleggin'. i AM going but am not sure how early i will arrive,
seeing as though i have a play to act in earlier this evening. if
anyone in the NP 'hood would like to do REDVINEGAR and MYSELF a favor,
gimme a call at 665-5858 and come by my place to get this mini-disc
player. that way we call all be assured that the entirety of this
evening's rock-splosion will be recorded and documented.
word.
weird, posted 28 Oct 2002 by baggins »
(Fixture)
Peter
Carlson? or
Peter
Carlson?
[cue twilight zone music here]
weird, posted 28 Oct 2002 by lukas »
(Fixture)
The first peter carlson is playing my bass and the second is playing my
amp-head at the wood.
The show did rock . . .made all the more so by Dooley wandering
around, beer in hand, telling stories of his second stint in defensive
driving school.
I'm going to hijack a tank and give it to him for his high-speed
dashes from Chicago to Valparaiso . . .
I just thought of something. I hurt myself every time I do that . . .
just so that everyone knows our name
is
redvinegar
not
red vinegar
oneword.
thanks.
hi phil, posted 26 Nov 2002 by baggins »
(Fixture)
thanks redfuckinvinegar, you rock.
the lead singer of redvinegar now has the shortest hair in the band.
thats funny to me.
this pic
is so *im-a-sensitive-rock-star/artist*
saturday.feb.8.goose.island.3535.n.clark.10.pm.18.+.
mark your
calanders.
18+ or 21+, 18+ if there's room.....?
18+, posted 14 Jan 2003 by dogmanphil »
(Fixture)
but, anyone that is under 21 should be there by 10 because it will get
packed and after 11 goose becomes a bar not a resturant.
YAY!, posted 14 Jan 2003 by Cinnamongirl »
(Fixture)
My favorite local band, live and in the flesh. I'll be there with
bells on!
there will be a very special guest opening for redvinegar on the 8th.
should be a night to remember.
well, the show is just a little more than a week away and we are really excited. practices have been great. honestlt things have never been better. i for one am really excited for the 8th because i just want people to hear what we are doing these days. tim (freakingfreak) said that he is really worried cause if it doesn't go well he will be that more upset cause3 he knows how great it is at practice and just hopes that comes out at the show. also, i can't wait to hear the slow learners play. if you don't already know their music your in for a surprise. they are really good. so, see you there. and remember if you or people your going with are under 21 make sure they are there before 10. that way we woun't run into the problems we did last time with people not getting in.
sigh, posted 1 Feb 2003 by lieutenant »
(Fixture)
I have commission-oriented career-necessary contractual United States obligations that weekend, and since I'm usually up for these things at oh-my-gawd-it's-early I will not make the show.
Please, someone scarf a Granny Smith Woodchuck cider for me, or barring that, some bourbon.
lieutenant that's to bad. it would have been great to have you there. it's going to be a great show.
i wish i could be there with you guys. even in the snow and cold.
we were just informed that the show is 21+! so, please pass this on to anyone you knew that was going and is underage. we are dissapointed about this but, we don't really have any control over it. sorry. it still will be a great show.
i'll take care of that bourbon for you...right now...and then too.
neoacerbitas wrote that, not me.
besides, i'm more of a scotch guy.
a little unAmerican every now and now
Music starts at 10:00 PM with Slow Learners and then on to redvinegar.
we are really looking forward to tonight. good times, good friends, good beer, good food, and ok music.
Yeah! THanks for coming out! It was great!
but somehow most punk...
You all tore it up Saturday night. The opening act was great and a nice surprise, not totally a surprise cause I knew who'd be involved, but I didn't know what sound to expect and was very impressed. Three talented lads there (and I never thought I'd hear Yeats' poetry put to rock music, or any music besides maybe an Irish drinking song, and that was very cool).
Redvinegar, as always, rocked the house. Great songs and I love the energy that's always there while the band's performing. Just watching them and seeing how into the music they are has me sitting there smiling like I'm high all night. I never would have known Pedro was sick if he hadn't mentioned something about taking Theraflu after the show.
And just as great as the music was seeing a lot of people I haven't seen in a while and really missed. Excellent night, thanks to all.
we had fun too.
i think i know of a secret admirer of yours.
Secret Admirer? I'm ingtrigued...unless it was that guy who was all over me at the SL/RV show. Oh wait, that was my boyfriend.
You rule, Baggins, and I miss seeing you more often. Let me know the next time y'all meet for pool at the 'Wood, although pool is possibly the thing I am very worst at in the whole world.
Pedro, I hope you are feeling better. You guys rocked nonetheless.
just somebody i know who thinks you're pretty damn cool. nothing more.
pool is monday nights. every week. not everybody shows up every week. but enough of us are there to feel at home, usually.
Baggins, how the heck can you say something like that and NOT expect me to get all curious???
Curiosity killed the cat. It almost did kill my cat, Oscar, who took a nose-first dive off our porch a few months ago, trying to escape, and broke his sternum. We have x-rays to prove it. We had to take him to the emergency vet. Frickin' Oscar.
You'll laugh when you see what I mean about my pool skills, but I'll give it a shot some Monday. Usually, whoever I'm playing against will win the game before I sink even one ball. Pathetic.
I think Raskol told me he was playing a show with RV in April--if that's true, then ROCK!
shows, posted 11 Feb 2003 by dogmanphil »
(Fixture)
yes, that is true!
thursday, april 10th at the lyon's den
blue stone
redvinegar
double bill
also in april we will be doing a very special show!
sunday the 27th of april at berry memorial church
redvinegar
sheepdog society (tim lowly's band)
this will be differant show for us. a don't miss!
tonight..., posted 11 Feb 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
...it's a very special redvinegar...
Phil discovers his love for digital effects. Erik discovers his true love for haggis. Tim is diagnosed with irreversible halitosis... while Peter is trapped in the Himalayas -- with a broken heart!
Seriously though, the show with Tim Lowly will be very low key, with probably a bunch of new "this-show-only" music. It will be in a church, and will be a benefit for Berry Memorial and some other cause. Plus, Tim's band is really incredible. He's a great musician and a great guy if you don't know him.
Plus, Blue Stone and redvinegar -- double bill at the Lyon's den. You know your faces are going to be completely rocked off at that show!
so little time.
will you be the door man at the lyon's den?
bah. , posted 12 Feb 2003 by baggins »
(Fixture)
and do what?
There will be a cover at the Lyon's Den show, and we need to have someone to collect it.
AM I IN REDVINEGAR OR NOT?
way cool.
Thanks, Grady!
blocked, posted 12 Feb 2003 by blvdgirl »
(Fixture)
grady- that time my computer (at work/school) blocked it for "sex"
the dudes in redvinegar are pretty damn sexy, so that makes sense.
our internet has been down at work and we just got it back a bit ago. what the hell is that all about? what shall i do at work without internet access?
"am i in redvinegar" or not is too funny.
there's a cover at LD to get in the show, but they won't provide somebody to collect it? what happens if i scam half the cash? or all of the cash? and say nobody came? (who's gonna fuck with me for one thing?) or is it a cover they impose, and then you collect it and distribute it among the bands? or something like that?
cover, posted 12 Feb 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
It's actually pretty cool how it works -- we take the cover -- and we split it. They don't take a cut, but they also don't provide anyone to take the money.
so..., posted 12 Feb 2003 by ulyssess00 »
(Fixture)
they dont pay you any money, they just let you charge the cover?
and they make their money at the bar?
so. no guest list. you can be on the 'guest list' if you buy me a drink when you come in.
door money, posted 12 Feb 2003 by lukas »
(Fixture)
just be sure to put someone at the door. One of the time the project played at the lion's den we just had someone from the bar do it and we are positive he took a nice cut for himself.
Joe was explicit -- you charge whatever you want, but you provide the guy to do it. Man, that's going to be such a great show.
shows..., posted 13 Feb 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
I updated our shows page to reflect the latest bookings... emails will go out as soon as I get official-official confirmation about next Thursday.
also, posted 13 Feb 2003 by lukas »
(Fixture)
Brink some blank CDR's. Joe has a realtime CD burner hooked up to the soundboard. Makes for fun live recordings that actually sound pretty good.
We're playing at Goose Island Lincoln Park -- 1800 N. Clybourn. A bunch of other bands will be playing, including Halfway Jane and Smittyvision. We're going on at 9:00 sharp -- so be there early! It's free, and is all ages! Spread the word and the love.
RAWK!, posted 19 Feb 2003 by lieutenant »
(Fixture)
Yea!
A show I can make!
but i will try. yikes.
so, last weekend pedro and i went to check out the studio at
sacred heart in duluth, mn. its a old church that was going to be torn down back in the late eighties that a few people bought and turned into a music center.
so, shredzilla, pedro, and i went to meet with eric swanson who runs the studio. he gave us a tour of the place and played some music that was recorded there. its amazing! we really are excited to work up there.
i took a bunch of picture of the place for you all to look at!
some of the stained glass:
1
2
3
4
some shots around the church:
1
2
3
4
5
6
well, goose island clybourn was fun thursday night. it was weird, we haven't played there in a long time. i forgot how fast six songs go. we played well other than one train wreck that i caused. SUCK! any ways thanks to everone that came. we are probably playing there again the 20th on march with aaron moon! so, pedro and i 'll keep you posted about that show.
skehdooley, posted 25 Feb 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
Ok dudes, as posted at our shows page, we have a bunch of dates lined up this spring:
March 20th -- north and clybourn (with moon)
April 10th -- lyon's den -- with blue stone
April 27th -- berry UMC -- with sheepdog society (tim lowly)
...and now
May 3rd -- Goose Island Wrigleyville IV
... just got confirmed. Woot!
Perhaps I am extremely slow on the uptake, but I just today understood the Biblical reference of the band name Red Vinegar. I was raised very Christian and am more versed with the Bible than most, but I never made the connection until now.
Now that I know this. I am more prepared to create apropriate artwork for Red Vinegar CD inserts, t-shirts, posters, and other band merchandise. I work on donations Pedro, so if you've got no cash throw me a nickel and let's get to work. I work at kinko's so all the printing is 25% off! Woohoo, Red Vinegar rocks!!
PS. I think that there is an element of blues to Red Vinegar as well, and that was not mentioned in the entree intro. There's just that soulful vibe, you know? Entree intro -- try sayin' that five times fast.
There is no intentional Biblical reference in the band name... which is not to say that there can't be one, or that different people can't see different things... what were you thinking, out of curiosity?
We may very well take you up on that at some point...
i was going to post somthing here but then realised that most people already think i'm an assshoole so i decided not too...yeah dudes
seriously. you're not an asshole by any means.
what were you thinking of?
He was probably thinking of the vinegar on the sponge at the crucifixion.
Amy, you're right. We had a lengthy discussion about it this weekend. OutsideInfluence wrote that he's more familiar with the Bible than most...he certainly is more so than me, which is my own fault. But I explained that as far as the Diner is concerned, I think many of you are experts as far as myself is concerned.
In any case, Redvinegar is like aforementioned vinegar as far as assuaging one's spirit with good, solid tunes. Since a lot of people here are English majors, it's nice to know that one can free-associate without incrimination or just plain confused looks.
This should go to Thelogy Fried Rice--but was that vinegar supposed to help Him? I know it was supposed to be mixed with wine, but what prompted the man to do that?
vinegar, posted 10 Mar 2003 by pedro »
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I think the word "vinegar" was a king jamesism that stuck for "sour wine" or "cheap wine." It probably wasn't like what we think of cooking vinegar, which would be pretty brutal to drink.
BUSTED!, posted 11 Mar 2003 by pedro »
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We got busted by the NPU security tonight during practice. Things were just starting to roll.
oh, posted 11 Mar 2003 by pedro »
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Although Tim L. took a bunch of really cool photos that we'll probably end up posting on the website.
busted?, posted 12 Mar 2003 by baggins »
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as in, you're not allowed to practice there? you guys are more punk than i thought.
well,, posted 12 Mar 2003 by pedro »
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I thought we were... (punk levels... draining...)
And we will make sure that it's ok in the future (punk levels totally depleted)
lol, posted 12 Mar 2003 by baggins »
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nah. you guys are still punk. except erik. he's mathrock.
Hey, Neo. I certainly don't think you're an @$$hole. You've been nothing but cool in every entree I've posted with you.
Also, I'd like to say that I became a Red Vinnegar fan while Cinnamongirl was playing a CD, and I asked "Who is this? They're really good." I turned out to be a song sung by Pedro and Mercurymouth for someone's wedding I believe, but it was so enchanting and haunting. It captured me and never let go. I guess that makes me a Pedro fan more than a RV fan (no offense to the rest of the band).
actually, posted 12 Mar 2003 by baggins »
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that makes you a jeremy enigk fan, more than anything else. it's a song that they covered, written by Jeremy Enigk (who was in Sunny Day Real Estate, and now in The Fire Theft, playing the Metro on the 24th of march). anyway, thought you might enjoy knowing that. although, i don't want to detract from the magic of redvinegar. because those guys rule.
MOON-Y, posted 19 Mar 2003 by dogmanphil »
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practice with moon was great last night. it's good to make music with him. it's also rad with redvinegar being a 5 piece. all of you that can make it tonight your in for a treat.
NEW, super-exciting news! and some other minor updates.
All right..., posted 28 Mar 2003 by dex »
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... I think I'll plan my two week summer sojurn home for July so I can finally see a RV show.
Of course I'll have Anna in tow. And probably my siblings. How far is it from home to Chicago, Peter?
8 hours, posted 28 Mar 2003 by pedro »
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Optimal, basically following the speed limit.
I'd say 10 hours with real stops.
THat would be AWESOME!
...did you guys get this gig based on your musical talents, or the fact that your band is named after an edible...? ;-)
the festival's organizer's would probably get a kick out of the diner....
anyway, i'm hoping i'm in town for this gig...
and that i'll be able to make the abbey show despite graduation-madness....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha graduation! hahahahahahahahahahaha
i am sorry to inform you but, i have to quit the band. i hate to do it like this but, it's just been on my mind lately. it's hard being in a band at any level. redvinegar will go on. please understand i still love the music and pete, tim, and erik. i have to get back to into school and finish. i'm sorry. i will be finishing up these next few shows with redvinegar but, when erik leaves for up north i will bow out.
thanks for the good times.
phil
I'm also shutting down the diner, I'm going to quit working with computers, and I think I'm going to take a job as a grocery store manager. Maybe beat out that Russ guy at the Pulaski Jewel. I think I could take him.
Oh,, posted 1 Apr 2003 by Cinnamongirl »
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I thought that was a joke.
Which is it?
Anywho, on an unrelated note, I'm going to quit doing whatever I do and eat my own hair.
doused in red vinegar?
oh also,, posted 1 Apr 2003 by pedro »
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I think i'm going to start running X-10 popup ads on the diner. Just to recoup some of the investment, you know.
International Rules state that if you say such things after noon has passed you become the victim.
Oh, by the way, your shoelaces are undone.
I think that it was less of a sponge than a loofa.
when the campus pork stops you for practicing, make sure to ask them if you woke them up, they always seem to sleep through the late night shifts, especially on the weekend when i'm selling crack out the front door. Of course when i call them on it and write "wake up and do your F*cking job once in awhile" it gets immediately painted over (as in, withing a few hours) so that nobody ever actually finds out that security doesn't do their job. whatever, i'm bitching now so i'll go to bed.
Tom . . . or rather . . . "neo"
so, redvinegar and blue stone will be playing at the lyon's den next thursday the 10th. the show is at 9pm so get there early as to get a spot and not to miss any rock! also we will be hopefully recording the show so we need you cats to be nice and loud and pretend that we are a normal rock band.
so, the show is five bucks that goes right to us and blustone. show is at 9:00. and be loud!
lyon's den flyer
red vinegar has a new page at The Art Conspiracy , check it out!
notice that i used the popular way of spelling redvinegar. whoops.
also, posted 7 Apr 2003 by dogmanphil »
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people pick up copies of the reader. under the abbey's listing is our may 8th show with us as "red vinegar", blue stone as "bluestone", and the slow learners. but the coolest thing is that two lines down is the listing for the 17th KING'S X!!!!! that made my day.
...when phil's day was made.
haha, posted 7 Apr 2003 by pedro »
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That will need to be scanned.
Yo,, posted 7 Apr 2003 by Cinnamongirl »
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If anyone is willing to give me (and possibly Hernando) a ride to the RV show on Thursday, I will spring for gas money. My sister may be coming, in which case I have a ride home, but she has a night class and won't be able to be there until after the show starts.
I live off of Washtenaw & Balmoral (more broadly, Foster & Lincoln area). Close to North Park. If you are down to help a sister out, please let me know. I really want to be there.
the redvinegar AND bluestone show. How could I miss witnessing two such powerful forces collide?
busbus, posted 7 Apr 2003 by inkblot »
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Cinnamongirl, CTA goes direct between those locations. Take the #11 Lincoln bus. Lyon's Den is at Irving Park, something, and Lincoln.
the den, posted 7 Apr 2003 by lukas »
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irving, damen, and lincoln. Just up lincoln from martyr's and down irving from cafe 28. If you need food before the show, martyr's has excellent chicken quesadilla (it's great pre-show food). The Lyon's Den has some greasy food too. Or the Wild Goose is just up lincoln and they've got tasty food too. We used to walk there for beers and bar food and hockey playoff games when we lived over on Berteau. Have fun at the show, I wish I could be there. I love the Lyon's Den. Pedro, does Joe stil have a B3 and Leslie? If so, you should totally use it.
only 19 hour till we rock some faces off. all of you that are comeing to THE ROCK SHOW, i think you really are in for a treat. one, because i think we are playing really well, or so it sounds to me. two, because blue stone is gunna rock your world. and three erik is fun to watch.
hope to see you all there.
I saw the show in the Reader, in the section where the bars are listed and the shows going on at each one. BUT, they messed up and both CAPITALIZED redvinegar, and made it two words. Your publicist is gonna have to get on this one.
ya,, posted 10 Apr 2003 by dogmanphil »
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and i guess the curse is now spred to Blue Stone because they are now getting printed as bluestone and we are Red Vinegar. come on!
Here are the first batch. Please report any "tag" problems (misspellings in the comments and stuff) to my email address.
You can get an ogg-enabled Winamp here.
patent-enslaved mp3s coming right up!
Here are the MP3 files for those of you who don't want to use oggs. (I realize there are some real reasons for wanting to do so.)
Notice however that the mp3s are roughly 50 megs for the whole thing, whereas the oggs are only about 25 megs. So you could go download the ogg playing software here and still save around 18 megabytes.
da files
the only problem with soundboard recordings like these are that drums, guitar amps, and bass amps all put out a bunch of sound already so you don't have to push them in the levels. but, vocals need to be pushed alot. so, most of the recordings are really heavy on vocals. but, you guys get the idea at least.
i think grace, b-side, and mathew are the best ones from the soundboard. games is fun too.
Is not flawless, but I thought came off pretty well.
hope to see you all at the show on sunday! laura and peter will be playing with us. should be amazing night. the show is free but, please bring money to donate, thanks.
where are the new photos and flyers!?!?!?
:D
Hey Pedro, I was just looking at the redvinegar website and saw the little segment about the 19th c. incarnation of Pedro. That's a cool story. How did you find out about this guy?
pap, posted 25 Apr 2003 by pedro »
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I was googling for my name, and I found the picture of the skate shop, etc...
When I google my name, all I come up with is work stuff. Which is depressing.
Apparently there's an ad in the RedEye for Goose Island etc. today... and there should be our name and maybe a logo or picture in there somewhere.... I haven't seen it yet.
that bastion of excellence in journalism.
(but in all sincerity, congrats. i remember how stoked i was the first time i saw my band's name in teeny-tiny print in the local paper's concert listings. a full ad is the bomb.)
...so it's not exactly a "full ad"
Check it!
That's about 11 inches long in real life, across the bottom of the first page of the music section in the... ahem... RedEye.
Still! It's neato!
haha!, posted 2 May 2003 by baggins »
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you guys are 'original pop'!! haha
lukas thinks they got the band labels flipped around. Notice that in the pictures of their band there is not a single visible acoustic instrument.
I have today's Red Eye and saw the redvinegar blurb. Yeah, Original Pop--suckazzz!
Actually, I like the RedEye better than actual papers. But that may be cos I'm from the MTV generation and have no attention span.
RedEye? redvinegar? conspiracy??? OO-ee-OO....
lol, posted 2 May 2003 by baggins »
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lukas might be right. i saw that. they have no acoustic instruments. i thought that was weird as well.
i think jelani used to have a theroy about us being red or was that dave? pedro you still have the old e-mails from the old list?
we will be doing aditions for fly-girls for our original pop act.
..., posted 2 May 2003 by baggins »
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Baggins = original fly girl
yes he is, posted 2 May 2003 by pedro »
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and we have pictures to prove it.
dogman... , posted 2 May 2003 by pedro »
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original emails... somewhere... maybe...
?, posted 2 May 2003 by baggins »
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you have pictures?
How much is the show at the Abbey? I can't make it to the show tomorrow cause I'm filming but I really wanna check out the show o the 8th!
five bucks
should be a great show. we love playing at goose. we are the only ones playing tonight so there will be a whole lotta redvinegar goin' on!
webcast?, posted 3 May 2003 by lukas »
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is there a webcast of tonight's show?
how much would that rock!?!
'Stonewalls and Steel Bars' is such a kick-ass song!
re: other comments
The vocals were not loud enough in the front of the room. my guess is that the mix in back has them loud enough, but the mix in front is more saturated in the overall stage sound. which has everything amplified except the vocals. anyway, pedro's vocals are really dang good, and quite a significant part of the songs, and i wish i could have heard them better. you guys rule...
when and where is the next Redvinegar show? phil mentioned smething about Delisi's, which is very near my casa. or did that have nothing to do with rv? what about the abbey? sorry, i have gone to the rv link; i'm just confused. thanks for any clarification you can offer.
both, posted 6 May 2003 by pedro »
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the abbey on thursday night at 7:00 $5
delisi's on Sat. night 10:00 PM? Free!
thursday night might be difficult for me, and saturday is my sis' graduation party (she's gettin' her master's from north park--go, sarah!), but that's more of a daytime thing. maybe my dad will even come along for sat., he's in town from denver, and as i said delisi's is near my house, and he loves live music.
i've missed the last few rv shows due to several things, and i really miss seeing you guys. i hope to be there saturday!
It was a great show, and awesome to see some old friends. I feel like we played well, and I think it went over pretty well. It's kind of weird to think that last night, we played a gig at the abbey! How 'bout it?!
delisi's should be really fun. low key no pressure. i can't wait.
serious..., posted 10 May 2003 by pedro »
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I hope to see you there!
Which member of redvinegar are you?
ha ha, posted 11 May 2003 by inkblot »
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i'm so not phil.
Well well, posted 11 May 2003 by dex »
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I am Peter Peterson. ??? Sure.
Funny, posted 12 May 2003 by BigJ »
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Turns out I'm some guy named George. is there a George in the band? I did hit the button marked "crazy old greek guy who used to own a retaurant" maybe that had something to do with it...
hmmm, posted 12 May 2003 by baggins »
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i was pedro. i guess. i didn't know he liked death metal...
I was tim, who is the only member I don't know...weird?
the whole quiz was defunt, cause I'm not male and i play no instruments...and yeah...
seriously needs a chick in the band.
There is a new special!
...coming soon, including updated music!
new music, posted 2 Jun 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
including astronaut's blues
there is a ton of new photos that pedro and i posted today. enjoy!
linkage, posted 8 Jun 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
our photo page
metromix
There's also this schedule.
You can decide which page is cooler to be on -- Metromix.com or CityOfChicago.org!
Make your voice known and help us pick a redvinegar t-shirt design! Log in and vote!
Please log in and make sure your votes are still there, or re-vote.
ok, posted 13 Jun 2003 by BigJ »
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I must say I love the "I went to a redvinegar show and all I got was my face rocked off" shirt, that's fricken funny. But a good selection to be had.
so, are you saying that you would buy that shirt if it was made? or are you just saying that it is funny? cause, thats the only problem i have with that shirt. i think it's funny and think that alot of people do too but, would people buy it if that was the one made?
actually, posted 13 Jun 2003 by baggins »
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no, i don't know if i would. i think i put it dead last on my list. and i almost checked the 'i wouldn't buy it' box. i'm not sure. if it ends up being the one you guys make, i'd probably buy it to support you guys. but i'd rather wear any of the other ones.
it *is* funny, and the way some people were talking, it was like they thought it was the most hilarious thing in the world. And so on one hand we felt like, it's not really what we thought of when we thought of making an rv shirt, but on the other hand, it's funny and memorable, and maybe people would like that... etc. It will be interesting to see how that turns out.
cliche, posted 13 Jun 2003 by inkblot »
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it's too cliche to wear. i can understand why some people think it's funny. personally, i don't.
Agreed, posted 13 Jun 2003 by dex »
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I agree with inkblot.
but, it's not one of my favorites. plus i don't think any of us in the band could wear it. i want a rv shirt i could wear too.
actually,, posted 13 Jun 2003 by pedro »
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I would probably wear it. But not for the same reason that I'd wear one of the other designs that I think is actually "a cool design".
Oh, I see what you mean phil about "not wearing it," like, it would be kind of lame for the bandmembers to wear it because of what it says. TOtally. But if I weren't in the band, I'd wear the shirt. But I can understand how some people wouldn't want to.
shred, posted 13 Jun 2003 by dogmanphil »
(Fixture)
wonder were daves been at? wonder what shirt he would want?
WWSV, posted 13 Jun 2003 by pedro »
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What Would Shred Vote??
I emailed him, so he knows.
if you haven't voted on shirts, and you care, please do so now, as we'll close voting probably some time tomorrow. After some discussion, we may have a second round from the top four or something like that... we'll have to see.
We culled out the obvious top five from the previous election, and now we're onto the second and final round. Please go and vote now for your favorite choice.
Thanks!
i was wondering who will be able to come?
i'm gonna be away from July 3-6--but i would hate to miss it!
12:30 in the afternoon. Come one, come all. Anyone who works downtown should just make a lunch out of it. Call it a Rock-n-Roll Lunch Punch, because it's going to punch you in the face...with rock.
ouch, posted 18 Jun 2003 by baggins »
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sounds danger-- awesome. i'm planning on trying to make it down there.
I have to miss it. I am taking the 3rd off work to leave for an out of town 4th of July family thing. It will be impossible for me to leave work at any time during the 2nd as I will be scrambling around to prepare for a four-day weekend away. I'm SOO sorry and bummed, guys. I love the Taste of Chicago and would have loved to see you guys rock half the city of Chicago.
hey pedro do we have a winner? when should we end the contest?
If you want to vote, today's probably the last day.
Here's the deal. This is going to sound technical, but it really isn't -- so read on and let me know what you think.
Originally when I wrote the voting program, I wanted people to be able to vote from 1 (highest) to 12 (lowest). This presents a logical problem, because if 1 is higher than 12, you have to do some kind of mathematical translation to the number in order to make actually be more than 12 after the same transformation.
For example, I could have made a list like this: 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, and then when someone voted 1, I would take the first item from the list, in this case, 12. Or when someone would vote 12, I'd take the last item from the list, in this case 1. Or when someone voted 3, they'd get 10 points. But I didn't like that solution, because programmatically, it's not as elegant.
So, what I did was have the vote weights actually represent the denominator of a fraction (the bottom number) -- so a 1 was worth 1 (one), a 2 was worth 1/2, a 3 1/3, etc., until a 12 (last place) was worth 1/12. This was a simple mathematical solution to "inverting" the value of my 12 numbers, but it created a logical problem I didn't really think about until yesterday, and that is:
My system essentially said that you like your 2nd place choice half as well as you like your first place choice. And that you like your 3rd place choice a third as much as you like first place. Conversely, it takes 3 "3rd place votes" on a particular shirt to equal 1 first place vote. This makes your first place vote extremely powerful, and your other votes much "weaker". If you graph this, it becomes a curve.
Contrast that to the first method I showed above with the list (12, 11, 10, 9, ... 1) -- that creates a system where your second place vote (11) is only a little worse off than your first place vote (12), and your third place vote (10) is just a little worse off than that. This graphs in a straight line.
This makes your first and last place votes the same as in the curve -- 1 is to 1/12 as 12 is to 1 -- but it drastically changes how your "in between" votes turn out. This is the dilemma. In the curved result, it takes 2 second place (1/2) votes to equal one first place (1) vote -- but in the linear result, two second place votes equal 22 where one first place vote is a mere 12!
This means that if I calculate the votes in a curved fashion, your first place choice is incredibly important, where your other choices are not nearly as important. As I said before, it literally means that you like your second place choice half as much as your first place choice. However, in the linear rendering, many second place choices will count more than some first place choices, and this changes especially how opinion is registered overall.
Another good way of looking at it is to say that a curved rendering illustrates which shirt is "most often picked as favorite" by downplaying the importance of other ranks, wheras the linear rendering takes overall preference into account across the board and the winner may very well be the one that everyone picked as second place, rather than the one that most people picked as first place.
To continue with that thought, in the curved representation, if 20 out of 30 people said that the Versaci was their favorite, that'd be 20 points for the Versaci design. If everyone said that the Gucci was their second favorite, that would only be 15 points for the Gucci design (30 * 1/2). In the linear representation of the same scenario, if 20 people voted Versaci as #1, that would be "240" points. And if everyone (30) voted Gucci as second place, that would be "330" points for that design, and Gucci would beat Versaci.
So my question is, without telling you how that affects any of the shirts, which do you think is the best way to calculate the votes? How did you expect the ranking to work? Do you like your second place choice half as well as your first place? Or are the ranks closer than that in your mind?
Maybe I'll hold an election to determine the answer.
This my friends, is why statistics are so easily manipulated. Seriously though, what do you guys think? How should the votes be calculated?
re: stats, posted 20 Jun 2003 by lukas »
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Scoring of voting like this is an interesting problem. The linear method is the least effective since it would be easy for a so-so shirt that everyone put at fifth to overtake a different shirt that had lots of first place votes. 30 fifth place votes is equal to 20 first place votes in the linear method. I think that at least some weight is needed so that value is added to the first place votes. In the second method, where a score is given as 1/x where x is the rank you get, as pedro pointed out, a large bias toward the highly ranked shirts. I'm not sure if this wieghting is too much.
So it comes down to basically how much should 2nd place be worth. I think that 1/x is a pretty good system even if it does skew pretty heavily on the upper end. One thing you could do is jut shift the curve up a little bit by using a multiplier. Like val = (1/x)*1.5 for values of x>1 or something similar. You could always arbitralily just start picking numbers too but with a formula like that you have constitency between the scores.
i don't know the solution.
but not for this problem.
it's Versace, with and "e", okay? glad we could get that straight.
I personally like the F1 point system, first place gets ten. second place gets like, six. third place gets four and fourth place through sixth or seventh get three, two, one points, respectively. something to that extent. I think that this method is a little better, but this isn't a race, so forget about that. shouldn't the tshirt with the most amount of first place votes get it? I mean, you're only going to make one shirt right? I don't know, like, if half the people vote for one shirt to be first place, the other half on another shirt to be first place and everybody voted for a third shirt to be second place, shouldn't that shirt win second place?
is going on?
so, if i, being simpleminded and ignorant as i am, were running the voting i think i would have had people vote singularly for only three shirts each. then taken the top voting three shirts and had everyone vote for just one shirt, making each vote worth it's weight.
i want the Gucci shirt!
...it seems to me that you'd get a more worthwhile result if you assigned points based on the number of 1st place votes, second place votes, etc., that each design gets. For example, if 30 people vote, and 20 of them give the same design first place, then that design will get 20 times whatever the value of first place is. This would help eliminate the problem of, say, two fifth place votes being worth more than one first place vote. For example, if a design gets 20 first place votes and 20 second place votes, it would receive 60 points: 20 for the first place votes, and 40 for the second place votes (20x2). Lowest point total of all the designs would then be declared the winner. I haven't crunched any numbers, but this system seems like it would take care of the problem of two fifth place votes being worth the same as one first place vote.
...for not previewing before posting. Please forgive the redundancy.
I think the results are pretty clear. Philm at eleven.
So, the metro doors shirt clearly won in both elections with the highest percentage of votes and the lowest disapproval rating, with the tree shirt being a close second. The problem with the metro doors shirt is that the range of color and the photographic quality of the design means that it will be harder and more expensive to print. We really want to have shirts available at the Taste, and so all things considered, we felt like it made more sense to print the tree shirts now, with the intention of making the metro doors shirts later on. It looks like the shirts are going to be $10. We're planning on printing a few colors of them, since it doesn't cost more to do so.
Thanks to everyone for voting, and warm up your cash, because we hope you'll buy one! Or two! Or clothe your whole family in redvinegar gear!
Pedro, posted 24 Jun 2003 by BigJ »
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Sorry I was out of town last week and missed all the voting talk, personally I would have taken the log function of each curve and then added a modifier to it to adjust for volume, not that that owuld have helped, but at least then you don't have curves, :)
In chestnut and woodrose. Sounds like the right colors for a tree shirt.
at pedro@tastytronic.net with your size and color preferences so we can make sure that you get the shirt you want. Also, you can pay me at any time. I'll set up a paypal thing if people want to do that.
so we got a bunch of shirts so, if you guys to make it to the taste no worries we won't sell out of them just let pedro know and we'll save them for you and figure out what shipping would cost. the sizes are:
woodrose:xl, l, m, youth large(which is better than small)
chestnut:xl, l, m, youth large, and (2)xxl
the youth large isn't as tiny as a small and is alot shorter than the normal larges. so, for all the ladies out there you don't have to cut off the bottom of the shirt.
i am hold one of the xxl for baggins. so, i guess there is only 1 left. BigJ do you wear xl or xxl? it's yours if you want it.
colors, posted 25 Jun 2003 by lukas »
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are there pictures of the shirt colors, and/or the final design?
I don't have examples of the colors, but here is a link to the shirt image.
but is there anything smaller than a youth large cause those still feel too bulky. i like the names of the colors, too...very woodsy.
sorry l..., posted 25 Jun 2003 by pedro »
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That's what we ordered... although now that I think about it, if you have a request for a particular size, maybe we can sneak it into the order and adjust accordingly.
Anyway, if people want to speak up on this, as in, today, I can call propaganda and see what they can do.
We at redvinegar aim to please.
pedro, posted 25 Jun 2003 by instantcofi »
(Fixture)
can I ask you about prices from propagnada.
I want to make some shirts with the albanian double headed eagel, for my sister and I and other peope. But like I don't just wan t-shirts I want liek cute tanks, anyhow...just wondering how much liek a dozen shirts would run ya?
And how small of an order you can make?
propaganda, posted 25 Jun 2003 by pedro »
(Staff)
Their smallest batch is 25 pieces I believe. I imagine they have tanks and whatnot available, but they may cost more than regular t-shirts.
THe treeshirt design is one screen, so that makes it cheaper, and 72 shirts would be $5.25 a shirt. I don't know how much 25 shirts would be -- probably more because it is a small batch, but possibly not, if their prices go in steps.
There is also a one-time charge of $25 per screen -- so if your shirt was ONE screen (one color), that would be 25 + (25 * 5.25) which is $156 at the absolute cheapest.
You know, posted 25 Jun 2003 by BigJ »
(Fixture)
I'm not sure if I wear an XL or a XXl since it depends on the shirt. I usually wear an xl though since the xxl ends up being to baggy, but the length is nice, it's a toss up. Too bad I'll be in Ohio all next week, but I'll buy a shirt when I get back.
oldpossumus and i would like to know if the fabric of the shirts you've ordered is thin as in hanes under teeshirt thin?
It's probably like normal t-shirts that you get places. We just went with whatever their normal shirt is. We're sorry if it's not thin enough.
thin, posted 26 Jun 2003 by dogmanphil »
(Fixture)
i believe that they are 50/50 so, they are the thinner t-shirts. or maybe tone color is 50/50 and the other is 100% i don't remember. pedro does it say on the invoice?
I'll check tomorrow. I had nothign to do with the actual shirts ordered, so i'll defer to philbo on this one.
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